The ignition process in any vehicle becomes the heart of the
entire system as without this stage the vehicle just won’t start. To initiate
the process, earlier we use to have the circuit breaker unit for the required
actions.
Nowadays a more efficient and long lasting mechanism has been
developed for the ignitions in vehicles, called the capacitor discharge
ignition system. It incorporate an electronic circuit precisely functions like
the old contact breaker, but in a solid-state electronic manner.
Let’s learn the circuit operations with the following points:
Basically as the name suggest, ignition system in vehicles
refers to the process in which the fuel mixture is ignited for initiating the
engine and the drive mechanisms.
This ignition is done through an electrical process by
generating high voltage electrical arcs.
The above electrical arc is created through extreme high
voltage passage across two potentially opposite conductors through the enclosed
air gap.
As we all know that for generating high voltages we require
some kind of stepping up process, generally done through transformers.
As the source voltage available in two wheeler vehicles is
from an alternator, may not be powerful enough for the functions.
Therefore the voltage needs to be
stepped up many thousand folds in order to reach the desired arcing level.
The ignition coil, which is very popular and we all have
seen them in our vehicles is especially designed for the above stepping up of
the input source voltage
However the voltage from the alternator cannot be directly
fed to the ignition coil because the source may be low in current, therefore we
employ a CDI unit or a capacitive discharge unit for collecting and releasing
the alternator power in succession in order to make the output compact and high
with current.
Referring to the above capacitor discharge ignition circuit diagram, we see a simple configuration
consisting of a few diodes, resistors, a SCR and a single high voltage
capacitor.
The input to the CDI unit is derived from two sources of the
alternator.
One source is a low voltage around 12 volts while the other
input is taken from the relatively high voltage tap of the alternator,
generating around a 100 volts.
The 100 volts input is suitably rectified by the diodes and
converted to 100 volts DC. This voltage is stored inside the high voltage
capacitor instantaneously.
The low 12 voltage signal is applied to the triggering stage
and used for triggering the SCR.
The SCR responds to the half wave rectified voltage and
switches the capacitors ON and OFF alternately.
Now since the SCR is integrated to the ignition primary
coil, the released energy from the capacitor is forcibly dumped in the primary
winding of the coil.
The action generates a magnetic induction inside the coil
and the input from the CDI which is high in current and voltage is further enhanced
to extremely high levels at the secondary winding of the coil.
The generated voltage at the secondary of the coil may rise
up to the level of many tens of thousands of volts.
This output is appropriately arranged across two closely
held metal conductors inside the spark plug.
The voltage being very high in
potential starts arcing across the points of the spark plug, generating the
required ignition sparks for the ignition process.
Parts List for the CIRCUIT DIAGRAM
R4 = 56 Ohms,
R5 = 100 Ohms,
C4 = 1uF/250V
SCR = BT151 recommended.
All Diodes = 1N4007
Coil = Standard two-wheeler ignition Coil

i have a suzuki smash 115cc motorcycle with limited rev cdi, can i use this one instead? thanks
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how CDI specs are set for different vehicles so cannot give my opinion regarding it...
DeleteHI Swagatham Sir,
DeleteRecently My 2 wheeler battery was gone and i came to know from my friend he bought one very small capacitor type equipment for substitute of the battery .
But it will work for Horn and indicators very very well if the bike is in acceleration or else it will down.
Do you have any idea what it comprises of .
I have not dared to open the equipment and check what it comprises of.
Thanks in advance
Regards,
Soma.
Hi Soma,
DeleteIt's probably an ultra capacitor, which is able to charge very quickly and discharge also very quickly with high dump currents.
However these are better researched and designed than ordinary capacitors and therefore are much efficient, but cannot sustain like batteries.... good for horns as these are used only for a few seconds.
These U/capacitors are permanent and will never deplete like batteries and therefore very cost effective in the long run.
HI Swagatham,
ReplyDeleteThank you for this.
The Peak Repetitive Reverse Voltage for Nte5461 through Nte5468 SCR's is 50V's through to 800V's.
What would you recommend?
Carl
Hi Carl,
DeleteAccording to me BT151 is better than Nte5461, just compare the datasheets.
Moreover I have tried BT151 practically, and found these to be virtually indestructible.
Regards.
Thanks Swagatham,
ReplyDeleteIs it typical to dump the charge to the coil core which is ground ?
Carl
PS.....this circuit could save a lot of $$$$$$,s
Hi Carl,
DeleteThe arcing will generate only when Hi-tension cable is brought close to the ground(-) of the circuit, the ground can be taken from any point, even the vehicle chassis will work.
Regards.
Hitman,
ReplyDeleteI like this , thanks. One question, is the thick black line shown in the diagram just a ground connection from the coil to the SCR? It appears the coil already has a ground connection as well as the SCR.
Thanks,
Dan
Thanks!
DeleteYes, the grounds must be joined together, the thick line highlights this condition.
Thanks
ReplyDeletethanks for the circuit,one question pls,is this circuit is enable in any type and model of two wheeler.it is also ok in different cc of two wheeler,whether 100,125,155,175?pls reply thanks
ReplyDeletethis circuit would work for any vehicle that uses a single spark plug for the ignitions....
Deleteis it applicable to twostrokes motorcycles? for my yamaha Dt125? i really needs to know if i could use it.here is my EMail:neco_tine@yahoo.com......thanx!
Deleteyes it is applicable.
DeleteHello Sir
ReplyDeleteI have TCI in honda gxh-50cc engine.can i replace it with the circuit you have explained?
regards
prateek
Hello Prateek,
DeleteYes you may do it.
hi swagatam
ReplyDeletenice easy desighn. i have a ski-doo 3 cyilinder, but all 3 fire at the same time, im haveing a problem with the original cdi. do you think i might be able to use your desighn as a replacement?
tks rob
Hi Rob,
DeleteThanks!
If your ski-doo uses a single spark plug then definitely the above circuit would be applicable.
Good day Sir,
ReplyDeleteThanks for your efforts on this website. I have a 1998 Suzuki DR350SEW (dual sport model), which has two pickup/trigger coils. I'm wondering if this design would work? Is it your understanding that the 2nd trigger is for advancing timing? Would this design limit higher speed performance? Thanks again.
Thanks!
DeleteI am sorry I do not have detailed regarding different ignition systems, so cannot suggest my views.
Which BT151 should be used? There are a couple different ones such as, BT151-600R, BT151-800R. Thank you.
ReplyDelete600R refers to 600V, and 800R to 800V, both are way ahead of the required specs....so anyone would do.
DeleteIs this CDI AC Right?
ReplyDeleteHI Swagatham Sir,
ReplyDeleteHow can I use Old Nokia BL-5C 3.7v battery to make a LED torch.
How many 5mm LEDS I can connect and Can you provide me the simple circuit to make this.
For charging the battery, I can recharge the battery in my mobile and use that battery for torch.
Can you please provide me the simple circuit Sir.
thanks In Advance
Regards,
Soma.
Hi Soma,
DeletePlease refer to the following post:
http://homemadecircuitsandschematics.blogspot.in/2013/05/how-to-connect-5mm-leds-to-37v-li-ion.html