Saturday, December 31, 2011

How to Make a Capacitive Discharge Ignition (CDI) Circuit for Two-Wheelers


The ignition process in any vehicle becomes the heart of the entire system as without this stage the vehicle just won’t start. To initiate the process, earlier we use to have the circuit breaker unit for the required actions. 

Nowadays a more efficient and long lasting mechanism has been developed for the ignitions in vehicles, called the capacitor discharge ignition system. It incorporate an electronic circuit precisely functions like the old contact breaker, but in a solid-state electronic manner.




Let’s learn the circuit operations with the following points:


Basically as the name suggest, ignition system in vehicles refers to the process in which the fuel mixture is ignited for initiating the engine and the drive mechanisms.

This ignition is done through an electrical process by generating high voltage electrical arcs.
The above electrical arc is created through extreme high voltage passage across two potentially opposite conductors through the enclosed air gap.

As we all know that for generating high voltages we require some kind of stepping up process, generally done through transformers.

As the source voltage available in two wheeler vehicles is from an alternator, may not be powerful enough for the functions. 

Therefore the voltage needs to be stepped up many thousand folds in order to reach the desired arcing level.

The ignition coil, which is very popular and we all have seen them in our vehicles is especially designed for the above stepping up of the input source voltage

However the voltage from the alternator cannot be directly fed to the ignition coil because the source may be low in current, therefore we employ a CDI unit or a capacitive discharge unit for collecting and releasing the alternator power in succession in order to make the output compact and high with current.



Referring to the above capacitor discharge ignition circuit diagram, we see a simple configuration consisting of a few diodes, resistors, a SCR and a single high voltage capacitor.

The input to the CDI unit is derived from two sources of the alternator.

One source is a low voltage around 12 volts while the other input is taken from the relatively high voltage tap of the alternator, generating around a 100 volts.

The 100 volts input is suitably rectified by the diodes and converted to 100 volts DC. This voltage is stored inside the high voltage capacitor instantaneously.

The low 12 voltage signal is applied to the triggering stage and used for triggering the SCR.

The SCR responds to the half wave rectified voltage and switches the capacitors ON and OFF alternately.

Now since the SCR is integrated to the ignition primary coil, the released energy from the capacitor is forcibly dumped in the primary winding of the coil.

The action generates a magnetic induction inside the coil and the input from the CDI which is high in current and voltage is further enhanced to extremely high levels at the secondary winding of the coil.

The generated voltage at the secondary of the coil may rise up to the level of many tens of thousands of volts.

This output is appropriately arranged across two closely held metal conductors inside the spark plug.

 The voltage being very high in potential starts arcing across the points of the spark plug, generating the required ignition sparks for the ignition process.

Parts List for the CIRCUIT DIAGRAM

R4 = 56 Ohms,

R5 = 100 Ohms,

C4 = 1uF/250V

SCR = BT151 recommended.

All Diodes = 1N4007

Coil = Standard two-wheeler ignition Coil 


26 comments:

  1. i have a suzuki smash 115cc motorcycle with limited rev cdi, can i use this one instead? thanks

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    1. I am not sure how CDI specs are set for different vehicles so cannot give my opinion regarding it...

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    2. HI Swagatham Sir,

      Recently My 2 wheeler battery was gone and i came to know from my friend he bought one very small capacitor type equipment for substitute of the battery .
      But it will work for Horn and indicators very very well if the bike is in acceleration or else it will down.

      Do you have any idea what it comprises of .

      I have not dared to open the equipment and check what it comprises of.

      Thanks in advance
      Regards,
      Soma.

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    3. Hi Soma,

      It's probably an ultra capacitor, which is able to charge very quickly and discharge also very quickly with high dump currents.

      However these are better researched and designed than ordinary capacitors and therefore are much efficient, but cannot sustain like batteries.... good for horns as these are used only for a few seconds.

      These U/capacitors are permanent and will never deplete like batteries and therefore very cost effective in the long run.

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  2. HI Swagatham,

    Thank you for this.

    The Peak Repetitive Reverse Voltage for Nte5461 through Nte5468 SCR's is 50V's through to 800V's.

    What would you recommend?

    Carl


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    1. Hi Carl,

      According to me BT151 is better than Nte5461, just compare the datasheets.

      Moreover I have tried BT151 practically, and found these to be virtually indestructible.

      Regards.

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  3. Thanks Swagatham,

    Is it typical to dump the charge to the coil core which is ground ?

    Carl

    PS.....this circuit could save a lot of $$$$$$,s

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    1. Hi Carl,

      The arcing will generate only when Hi-tension cable is brought close to the ground(-) of the circuit, the ground can be taken from any point, even the vehicle chassis will work.

      Regards.

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  4. Hitman,

    I like this , thanks. One question, is the thick black line shown in the diagram just a ground connection from the coil to the SCR? It appears the coil already has a ground connection as well as the SCR.

    Thanks,
    Dan

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    1. Thanks!

      Yes, the grounds must be joined together, the thick line highlights this condition.

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  5. thanks for the circuit,one question pls,is this circuit is enable in any type and model of two wheeler.it is also ok in different cc of two wheeler,whether 100,125,155,175?pls reply thanks

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    1. this circuit would work for any vehicle that uses a single spark plug for the ignitions....

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    2. is it applicable to twostrokes motorcycles? for my yamaha Dt125? i really needs to know if i could use it.here is my EMail:neco_tine@yahoo.com......thanx!

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  6. Hello Sir
    I have TCI in honda gxh-50cc engine.can i replace it with the circuit you have explained?

    regards
    prateek

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  7. hi swagatam
    nice easy desighn. i have a ski-doo 3 cyilinder, but all 3 fire at the same time, im haveing a problem with the original cdi. do you think i might be able to use your desighn as a replacement?

    tks rob

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    1. Hi Rob,

      Thanks!

      If your ski-doo uses a single spark plug then definitely the above circuit would be applicable.

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  8. Good day Sir,
    Thanks for your efforts on this website. I have a 1998 Suzuki DR350SEW (dual sport model), which has two pickup/trigger coils. I'm wondering if this design would work? Is it your understanding that the 2nd trigger is for advancing timing? Would this design limit higher speed performance? Thanks again.

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    1. Thanks!

      I am sorry I do not have detailed regarding different ignition systems, so cannot suggest my views.

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  9. Which BT151 should be used? There are a couple different ones such as, BT151-600R, BT151-800R. Thank you.

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    1. 600R refers to 600V, and 800R to 800V, both are way ahead of the required specs....so anyone would do.

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  10. Is this CDI AC Right?

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  11. HI Swagatham Sir,

    How can I use Old Nokia BL-5C 3.7v battery to make a LED torch.

    How many 5mm LEDS I can connect and Can you provide me the simple circuit to make this.

    For charging the battery, I can recharge the battery in my mobile and use that battery for torch.

    Can you please provide me the simple circuit Sir.

    thanks In Advance

    Regards,
    Soma.

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    1. Hi Soma,

      Please refer to the following post:

      http://homemadecircuitsandschematics.blogspot.in/2013/05/how-to-connect-5mm-leds-to-37v-li-ion.html

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